Informed Choice WA Weekly News 2-7-24
WA GOP Adopts Informed Consent Resolution; Recap of a UW public health misinfo webinar where we point out their misinfo; Upcoming events: WCRC town hall and Vax/Unvax bus stops; meme+video
In this issue:
The WA State Republican Party announced that on January 20th a Resolution Protecting the Right to Informed Consent was passed.
Nine Hundred Register for UW Misinformation Webinar - as the war for truth in media continues to ramp up
Upcoming Events
Feb 24 WCRC Town Hall, Wooden Valley
Vaxxed Bus: April 16 in Olympia noon-2 PM / April 17 in Seattle, Westlake Park / April 19 in Spokane, Black Diamond restaurant
Medical Freedom Northwest April 19-21 retreat
Radio Show Links
Meme ‘o the Week and bonus comedy video
Resolution Protecting the Right to Informed Consent Is Adopted by the State’s Republican Party
The Washington State Republican Party (WSRP) has formally declared support for informed consent in health care decisions and the right to decline without coercion. The resolution was formulated starting nine months ago by members of the 18th Legislative District Republicans. The Clark County 17th LD did similar. This drove other members of the Clark County party to improve and pass it as well. There was some clashing of thoughts as the final wording was hammered out. Many contributors wanted much stronger language, but a resolution is a resolution - no legal authority. It’s an announcement of shared values. The WSRP is expected to formally adopt these tenets as part of the party platform which asks that all party members work to protect, and will be revised this presidential election year.
Clark County today also covered the news, highlighting WSRP Chairman Jim Walsh’s urgent and supportive words:
The Washington state constitution, in Article 1, Section 11, enumerates ‘absolute freedom of conscience’ as a right of every person in this state. Informed consent is a practical application—maybe the most important practical application—of that foundational value. We must do better to ensure informed consent is respected in the laws and policies of our state.
As the government’s response to COVID slips into history, it may be tempting to forget the attacks on informed consent that headline-grabbing politicians like Jay Inslee made. But we will remember. And we will work diligently to prevent such attacks from ever happening again.
Bob Runnells, the resolution’s main author, said this is a “small victory toward clearly cementing informed consent in Washington law.” He asks that current lawmakers strengthen informed consent in all health-related bills, such as for SB 6095 on the Secretary of Health's Stand Orders. This bill, requested by the DOH and likely headed to Senate floor debate any moment, would make permanent an emergency power to gain direct access to patients through prescribing vaccines, drugs and tests, effectively bypassing the doctor and endangering informed consent. If it must move forward, no doubt pushed by the majority party who are in bed with public health agencies, then Informed Consent language should be reinforced and not ignored as the bill currently reads.
Nine Hundred Register for UW Misinformation Webinar
On the last Tuesday in January, the Northwest Center for Public Health Practice held a webinar titled “Navigating Misinformation for Public Health” that one had to register for. Under the auspices of the University of Washington School of Public Health, the Hot Topics webinar offered up to one CPH recertification credit for those participating. The host, Sue Grinnell, announced at the start of the webinar that over nine hundred registered for the event. She later stated that most of them were from the public health sector.
Naturally, this recap of the webinar is through the lens of being accused of spreading misinformation, the kind we know as inconvenient and sometimes obvious truths that are critical of public health policies and run counter to their narratives. This webinar was really something to behold. We hope it doesn’t depress you. Your fearless author risked all to bring you this report and hopefully help you maintain a little sanity as you read about the methods used during the COVID-19 pandemic. Let us know in the comments about other misinformation that public health is still spreading.
Ms. Grinnell introduced the webinar presenter, Josh Gryniewicz as the CEO of Odd Duck which promotes itself as a social change consultancy. Grinnell went on to say that Odd Duck has managed a five-city health communication campaign plagued by disinformation. “As a result,” Grinnell said, “the agency created a framework for navigating misinformation at the community level that transformed its approach, leading to the misinformation guide.” She went on to say that this strategy has been shared with the agencies such as the CDC, the Center for Rural Health, and the Population Health Innovation Lab.
Grinnell then began the webinar with a question to the viewers: “In your experience, how prevalent is misinformation related to community health?”
A. Not at all prevalent
B. Somewhat prevalent
C. Very Prevalent
D. Other (type in chat)
After the responses were tallied, Grinnell said, “No holding back here, C. Very Prevalent seems to be the highest response.”
Josh Gryniewicz then began his presentation with his basic premise:
The biggest takeaway that I would like you to have is to think of disinformation and misinformation in a media ecosystem and what it looks like to have a corrupted media ecosystem.
He started by talking about a concept he calls the ‘misinformation continuum:’
He summarized the above chart, from misinformation to weaponized narrative, with:
When you have high levels of uncertainty and not a whole lot of facts to go on to inform your response, you’re bound to get misinformation. The big takeaway is that misinformation is inevitable. Where it comes from is problematic. It is in these other categories where misinformation is for political or profit motives, and that’s a working definition of disinformation. All these other categories are forms of disinformation where they serve some form of intent to manipulate or mislead the public.
Gryniewicz did not mention that it’s easy (unless suppressed by your search engine) to find evidence of “intent to manipulate or mislead the public” for “political or profit motives.” There are many examples of weaponized narratives used by public health institutions. These two cross-referenced articles from Children’s Health Defense and Expose News demonstrate some form of the misinformation continuum:
Instead, he recounted his interview with an epidemiologist in King County, where the first U.S. COVID-19 patient, ‘patient zero,’ was announced across all media.
Surprisingly, he explained this was misinformation:
That turned out actually to be a little bit of misinformation itself. It appears that patient zero was in California a couple weeks earlier. The epidemiologist said, “Josh, we were coming out of a long flu season. We weren’t sure exactly what we were looking at, and it was like drinking from four fire hoses at the same time.”
That’s misinformation. It can result from an honest mistake. Where it becomes problematic is when the organizations and institutions entrusted to “course correct” that are essentially gatekeepers of truth fall suspect and are met with mistrust and distrust, and that’s what we mean by the media ecosystem.
After discussing the potential abuses of artificial intelligence in public health, Gryniewicz covered five essential keys for navigating misinformation.
Key 1: Validating Feelings, Addressing Concerns
Key 2: Strategic Storytelling
Key 3: Being a Trusted Source
Key 4: Right Messenger, Right Message
Key 5: Data Democratization
The first key that suggests our public health practitioners validate feelings and address concerns, which sounds so much like ICWA-member interactions with the Department of Health and Legislators when they’re super nice but are seeking ways to end a conversation and then fail to follow up with questions or responses.
As for the “Mockery shuts downs the conversation” recommendation, what about the mocking of those who opposed the COVID-19 mandates by resorting to the buzz term anti-vaxxers?
During the webinar, they built awareness of the Public Health Communications Collaborative web site to help attendees deal with so-called public health misinformation. Thus far, there are sixty-one pages of anti-vaxxer/anti-masker statements rated by its misinformation risk level.
Searching for Florida Surgeon General Joseph Ladapo returns his High Risk statements.
Florida’s surgeon general continues to promote false vaccine information
January 15, 2024 In an interview with a right-wing commentator, the Florida surgeon general calls mRNA COVID-19 vaccines the “anti-Christ” and doubles down on the claim that the vaccines could alter DNA.
Recommendation: High Risk
Florida surgeon general calls to ban mRNA COVID-19 vaccines
January 3, 2024 Florida’s surgeon general issued an official state bulletin calling for a halt to mRNA COVID-19 vaccine use due to unsubstantiated safety concerns. The call follows a letter from the official asking the CDC and FDA to investigate unsubstantiated safety concerns about the alleged risk of DNA integration and cancer from COVID-19 vaccines. The press release has been widely circulating online.
Recommendation: High Risk
The same website goes on to debunk those participating in the congressional hearings about their COVID-19 shot “myths.”
Congressional hearing resurfaces debunked COVID-19 vaccine myths
January 12, 2024 A congressional hearing about alleged COVID-19 vaccine injuries recycled several debunked myths about COVID-19 vaccines. One circulating clip from the hearing claims that unvaccinated people have the lowest risk of getting COVID-19, while another claims that myocarditis and blood clots after COVID-19 vaccination are widespread.
Recommendation: Medium Risk
The point about the unvaccinated having the lowest risk of getting COVID-19 is contentious because the mainstream statistics on this have been lacking and conflicting. Not mentioned by the Medium Risk article about the congressional testimony is the disturbing trend shown in a mid-2023 Cleveland Clinic study of 51,000 employees showing those who get more COVID-19 shots are more likely to contract a COVID virus infection.
Furthermore, for some reason the website does not consider the 17,474 cases of myocarditis in the United States and its territories to be “widespread.”
We are understating it when we say these misinformation alerts might be biased 😉
Gryniewicz said, “The techniques that we encourage actually come out of the recovery field and that’s motivational interviewing, which is open-ended questions that are intended essentially to create cognitive dissonance in the listener or audience so that they can re-evaluate the position that they’re holding.” Gryniewicz might not have known that Robert F. Kennedy Jr. often describes attitudes about the entire vaccine program as cognitive dissonance.
Gryniewicz then referred to misinformation circulating among the public in Kentucky.
To put this into the context of disinformation, there was a legal aid program in Kentucky that was providing advice on the rollout of the COVID-19 vaccines. They had typically been given a lot of legal advice and guidance around adopting or taking advantage of some of the COVID benefits that were out. Typically, as a hotline, they didn’t have a lot of time or space to entertain some of the more irrational claims that were shared or brought out, such as if someone were talking about Bill Gates manipulating their DNA through the vaccine, that would be considered a crank call, and they would end the conversation. But they decided to adopt this motivational interviewing stance where they just entertained all the content and concerns no matter how seemingly irrational and just ask questions and provide feedback. What ended up happening was the executive director in an interview told me, “Josh, I don’t know how many vaccinations these conversations led to, and I don’t know how many people we actually persuaded, but what I do know is that the call volume increased for the month following this practice, and it increased the months after that.” And so if our greatest tool is disrupting a corrupted media ecosystem is to foster and rebuild trust, that sounds like success. So to give people space to question their own beliefs, to engage in these conversations and to re-evaluate for themselves is far more effective than trying to go toe-to-toe even when the data and the facts are on your side.
Granted, Gryniewicz’s calling out the claim of Gates’s direct manipulation of DNA in the COVID-19 shots as irrational may have merit, but he should have at least mentioned the studies that are gaining credence showing reactive DNA contaminants in the shots, going back as early as October 2021.
Pfizer Covid-19 Vaccine alters Human DNA – The Expose (expose-news.com)
During this time of the heavy jab rollout, a Swedish study demonstrated and confirmed that the mRNA in the Pfizer/BioNTech Covid injections infiltrates cells and transcribes its message onto human DNA within six hours, altering one’s DNA.
Recent studies have furthered concerns about DNA risks from the shots. A November 29, 2023 article in The Defender covered this:
The recent findings of DNA fragments in the Pfizer and Moderna COVID-19 vaccines have led many to question why the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA), which is responsible for monitoring the quality and safety of the vaccines, has failed to sound the alarm.
For years, the FDA has known about the risk posed by residual DNA in vaccines. Its own guidance to the industry states:
“Residual DNA might be a risk to your final product because of oncogenic and/or infectivity potential. There are several potential mechanisms by which residual DNA could be oncogenic, including the integration and expression of encoded oncogenes or insertional mutagenesis following DNA integration.”
Put simply, the FDA acknowledges the possibility that fragments of DNA left over by the manufacturing process can be incorporated into a patient’s own DNA, to potentially cause cancer.
This was also the case with a study in Canada titled DNA fragments detected in monovalent and bivalent Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna modRNA COVID-19 vaccines
The authors found “the presence of billions to hundreds of billions of DNA molecules per dose in these vaccines. Using fluorometry all vaccines exceed the guidelines for residual DNA set by FDA and WHO of 10 ng/dose.”
Gryniewicz could have addressed the above counterpoints as a useful lesson to teach the attendees since they are no doubt hearing about contaminants from ICWA members and many others. Instead, he breezed on through to the third key: being a trusted source.
He emphasized the following two points:
1. Have representation for the communities being served and act as a representation with real decision-making power.
2. Acknowledging and owning the histories of institutional oppression. For example, a hospital in Oakland, California, was known as a place where black people went to die. Hospital staff had not been alive when that happened to be true. Those children and grandchildren are now living with that reality. So, many of the staff who didn’t know that was community lore and that was considered fact and regarded as part of their brand until they began talking about this.
Gryniewicz conspicuously did not mention that, because of its COVID-19 treatment and protocols across the country, hospitals have regained the reputation of places where people go to die. As one of the most published critical care physician in the world, Dr. Paul Marik used very strong words at a December 2023 Florida COVID-19 summit and as we covered in the ICWA Weekly News 12-19-23 on remdesivir deaths:
“And so, my advice to you is don’t get sick, don’t go to the hospital, because they’re going to kill you.” Instead of seeking help from the hospital, Dr. Marik recommended eating right, sleeping right, getting enough sunshine, lowering stress, and taking care of your lifestyle because, again, “The medical system will kill you.”
Going on to the fourth key, Gryniewicz discussed the “right messenger, right message.”
We scripted professional basketball players; we scripted rap stars, and we created well-polished public service announcements, but none were as effective for getting the messages across as community health workers and the violence interrupters themselves. Their voices carried the DIY videos that they filmed on their phones with the black bars on either side framing the image were far more effective than any polished video that we could create. So, it’s about authentic voices with lived experiences, sharing their own stories and their own experiences.
This practice was on full display during a recent Washington Board of Health Meeting in November. Instead of answering to the data of over 200 Washington deaths following the COVID-19 shots, Department of Health (DOH) Chief Science Officer Tao Shen Kwan-Gett shared his experience:
And for me personally, the VAERS data and the analysis of the VAERS data just bring home the safety of the COVID-19 vaccine to where I made sure that my parents got the updated COVID-19 vaccine now, because I had the confidence that the VAERS data showed that the vaccine is safe.
Kwan-Gett’s reference to his parents is one of the strategies that the Washington State Medical Association (WSMA) uses in its presentations to healthcare providers about getting their most reluctant patients to take the COVID-19 shots. Such a good leadership example.
Taking cues from telling anecdotes of harm from vaccine-preventable diseases, social media censors literally added insult to injury by erasing accounts of vaccine harms. The webinar speakers could have told of the censorship of Brianne Dressen’s accounts of her injuries from the COVID-19 shots during the clinical trials.
Injured celebrities were not spared media humiliation either. Musician Eric Clapton was vilified by the mainstream media, notably Rolling Stone, for speaking out about his disabling reactions to the COVID-19 shots. “I didn’t feel the effects of the second jab until two weeks,” said Clapton in an interview with Robert Kennedy Jr. “The anxiety for me was the ensuing disabling reactions that made me have to cancel my upcoming United States tour. I’ve been expressing my adverse reactions on Telegram, but the British government has been threatening to take down Telegram because they say the platform is promoting terrorism.”
Gryniewicz’s fifth key was data democratization, including the concept of “A trustworthy brand supports trustworthy data.”
He might have been talking directly to the Washington Department of Health and the lagging trust the public has with the agency. As we’ve covered throughout 2023 here and here, the DOH has not been forthcoming and lacks transparency with the state’s mortality data using various reasons for delay.
An ICWA volunteer requested records from the Washington Department of Health (DOH) to obtain 2021 data. On November 28, 2022, the DOH wrote back and stated that data for any of these measures are typically not available until six to eight months after the closeout of the calendar year. But for all of 2022, the DOH never made public the mortality data for 2021.
After the DOH finally released the 2021 data in September 2023, a report was published lamely blaming the rise in all-cause mortality on a climate change “heat dome.” This was easily debunked in the Weekly News on 10-17-23 and during An Informed Life Radio with Dr. Xavier Figueroa.
Concluding the webinar, Sue Grinnell asked, “The last few years have been pretty traumatic just with COVID, and with that in mind, if you have any one piece of advice, what would that be?”
Gryniewicz answered:
First is addressing one’s feelings, for people develop irrational beliefs because they’re scared. All of us were scared. We were all scared during COVID, and that’s what leads to the subscribing of it, so if you can build in those sorts of reminders, such as check your knee-jerk reaction and instead just ask questions, such as why do we believe, you will get a lot more traction.
Robert F. Kennedy spoke eloquently about those who would take advantage of fear during the first summer of COVID-19. At a rally in Berlin on August 29, 2020, Kennedy said to the tens-of-thousands in attendance:
The institutions know the way to orchestrate obedience. They do it by pumping up fear. At the Nuremburg Trials, Hermann Goering was asked, “How did you make the German people go along with all this?” He said that it’s an easy thing. You can do it in any kind of regime. The only thing you need to do to turn people into slaves is to use fear.
The question and answer session at the end of the webinar was also revealing and shocking at times:
Q1: “What is the difference between providing the best information we have at the time with misinformation?”
A: “There isn’t really a difference,” Gryniewicz said. “That’s part of it. That’s why it’s important to focus on the trust building aspect concurrent with sharing that information. In our media ecosystem, there are opportunities to redirect or course correct and to issue corrections on misinformation and that often doesn’t happen when that trust isn’t there and when that ecosystem is corrupted. The key is to share the information that you have but also to make sure that you’re building in some of those other pieces at the same time.”
Well, we’re still waiting for the course correction or admission of misinformation from agencies and officials as Jeffrey Jaxen reminded everyone during the most recent episode of The Highwire. The CDC and other government leaders are glaring misinformation culprits having conducted the “Pandemic of the Unvaccinated” campaign.
Q2: “Our health department does not have a specific policy on responding to public comments that spread disinformation and misinformation, so what do you recommend?”
A: “That depends on where you’re responding,” Gryniewicz said. “So part addressing this ecosystem that we have is to address this misinformation and disinformation that were coming across, and that’s just not sustainable. We may want to triage what your addressing, and maybe the policy speaks to sort of triaging so that if something is egregious enough to actually do harm you want a policy to address that in another way to be explored.”
We think that answer is a good example of word salad or it was a tangential call for suppressing citizen voices.
Q3: “Is misinformation a defense mechanism used when living through change or times of change?”
A: Gryniewicz recommended reading Nonsense by Jamie Holmes. “It’s about why people take on irrational beliefs,” Gryniewicz said. “In the absence of accurate, reliable information, we’re going to start coming with our own stories.”
And
Q4: “How can you curate a story and seem credible to an audience who thinks you are out to mislead them?”
A: “As I’ve given examples before, the public health department isn’t necessarily the best one to be telling the stories,” Gryniewicz said. “But supporting or recruiting these trusted messengers in the community to be the storytellers themselves and to help put out that strategic story might be more effective.”
If you want to dig further into these misinformation handling techniques, the webinar offered the following links:
Concluding our review of this University of Washington webinar, we remind you that UW is no stranger to censorship and misinformation. Last August 8, ICWA Weekly News ran a story about UW making the top fifty in the global censorship cartel.
Lastly, we find it amazing that all this research is being done on misinformation in the name of public health services, when all that’s needed is for public health agencies to simply tell the truth. Maybe a day will come when HB 1610 Restoring Trust in Public Health through Consumer Protection will be heard in Olympia.
Upcoming Washington Events
Stay Connected. Stay Informed. Stay Sane.
Stay connected with the Medical Freedom Community
The Washington Civil Rights Council will be hosting a town hall on Saturday, February 24 from 3 p.m. to 6 p.m. at the Wooden Valley Baptist Church in Bothell. “Our side is having success and gaining momentum. Come hear the wins! I'll be one of the guest speakers,” says Victoria Palmer. RSVP directly to WCRC at WCRC@protonmail.com
Medical Freedom Northwest April 19-21 retreat
The retreat’s theme will be “Starting or Finding Successful Cash Healthcare Businesses.” It will start on Friday, April 19 at 7 p.m. and go to Saturday, April 20 at 9 p.m.
Speakers include Dr. Scott Jensen, Dr. Kelly Victory, Kimberly Overton RN and more.
Let’s Go Washington Rally – Support the 6 Initiatives
WHEN: FRIDAY, FEBRUARY 23, 2024, at 12:00PM
WHERE: NORTH CAPITOL STEPS
Join Let’s Go Washington sponsor in telling Olympia to support the 6 Initiatives!
WEAR GREEN or your Let's Go Washington shirts !
These initiatives address critical issues:
I-2113 - Allowing police to pursue dangerous criminals
I-2117 – Lowing gas prices by repealing the carbon tax
I-2081 – Empowering parents through broad notification laws
I-2024 – Lowing payroll taxes
I-2117 – Prohibition of state and local income tax
I-2109 – Repealing the capital gains income tax
Be part of the rally to tell Olympia that over 2.6 million signatures is not a silent minority and the will of the citizens should be heard!
Informed Life Radio Show links
Health hour: Oxygen & Cellular Energy (CHD.TV)
Informed Life Radio welcomes back Dr. Ted Fogarty to discuss the powerful healing of hyperbaric and other oxygen treatments and the building blocks of mitochondrial energy.
Top HBOT Recommendation: Harch Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy (hbot.com) in Louisiana
Top Immune Support Recommendation: Best Immune Support | Glutathione | Immune Booster
Underwater HBOT:
The Scuba Gym - (Florida) therapy for: Autism, Cerebral Palsy, Muscular Dystrophy, Hypotonia and more.
Dr. Deep Sea - (Florida) therapy for: long-haul COVID, Traumatic Brain Injury (TBI), Chronic Traumatic Encephalopathy (CTE), and the related symptoms of PTSD, depression, and long-term mental and physical impairments
Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy (HBOT) is the De Facto Treatment for Brain Injuries. Deal With It. By Dr. Xavier Figueroa
Liberty Hour: Lawsuits Fighting Medical Harm (ICWA/Rumble)
Carolyn “CC” Blakeman of the FormerFedsGroup Freedom Foundation and attorney Michael Hamilton with Declare Truth provide updates on lawsuits filed for hospital protocol cases, mandate cases, and a transgender mutilation case.
Meme of the Week
Bonus Video Link
https://x.com/TheChiefNerd/status/1754832200854315130?s=20
As a Washingtonian, I appreciate your state-specific coverage that I don't find anywhere else. Thank you.
The catchy song video at the end doesn't hurt, either! 😊
There are so many quality educational institutions in the United States that there is no real legitimate need for prosepctive or current healthcare workers to attend University of Washington or Washington State University.
I know of so many healthcare workers that attended both schools that refuse to ever return.
The majority of healthcare workers I know of discourage everyone in the many communities they interact with from attending University of Washington, Washington State University and any other university anywhere in the United States that does not allow medical exemptions or religious exemptions for healthcare workers and whom has a history of attempting to or actually taking away medical licenses from doctors, nurses or any other medical professionnal, by turning them in to particularly unethical bureaucratic medical commissions that have clearly been weaponized by pharmaceutical lobbies, for those healthcare providers providing very careful and informed medical care or questioning if past or current pharmaceutical treatments are safe, especially long-term (for which concern seems to have been lobbied out of medical care) and discussing alternative medical treatments with proven medical efficacy and safety.
Healthcare workers should have just as strong of rights as the general public on what they are allowed to choose for their medical care and their rights are frequently ommitted when it comes to even Healthcare Freedom Rights bills developed for physical autonomy rights, religious rights and employer and educational vaccine requirements due to 'working with fragile populations' however, all of the other protective barriers and actions that healthcare workers use to protect patients is for majority of instances enough (hand washing, sanitization, high quality PPE with respirators and a wide assortment of effective masks for respiratory and droplet conditions, sterile and clean techniques, calling out for brief illness period etc) - all of these tools will always be at the healthcare workers disposal and are very effective (the claim that this is not the case is a pharmaceutical lobbyist narrative to drive sales of pharmaceuticals).
In any instance where a medical treatment is absolutely necessary it still should never be an allowance to push ineffective, unsafe or inadequately tested (or never tested long-term) medical treatments nor is it acceptable to force healthcare workers to take them under such circumstances.
It is a deep violation of the right to bodily autonomy and personal interpretation of scripture for those that are religious that a large part of the population (medical professionals) to be forced into medical treatments that could be and are often proven unnecessary due to their lack of efficacy and/or are dangerous to personal health due to lack of safety and being released before effective long-term studies are done, as is the case with so many new medications and medical treatments.
Any time I've spoken to healthcare workers in my community they feel that anyone going to University of Washington or Washington State University is throwing their rights to bodily autonomy, religious practice away and is opening themselves up to having their license taken away over petty attacks by the WMC that are clearly and directly punishing ethics-based lack of support for inadequately tested or proven unsafe pharmaceutical treatments and protocols.
If you choose to put yourselves in environments that are neurotic about allegiance to these unsafe and hostile requirements you either have to start providing innaccurate and unsafe medical care and shut up or risk your license being taken.
Most people I know will go out of their way to deal with the inconveniences of relocating temporarily and applying to educational institutions in other states or receiving a high quality degree through an online course before wasting so much money at University of Washington or Washington State University and risking their license or being forced to adhere to information that they've done plenty enough research to know is not often legitimately evidenced based and is shockingly dishonest and unsafe.